Show me your rear end

[sladeyboy]

Its just a stock HD. No changes anywhere apart from air intake and sounds. Didnt pick me up on side indicators either. Lucky me!!!

[Dynadave]

Is there a way that the line-o-fire would work between the bumper and the tailgate? Just a suggestion.

http://www.nhtoc.net/vbforum/showthr...t=fire+and+ice

[hemiuk]

That is something I was thinking about and using it as a big *** fog lamp lol has anyone got the new one with reversing lamp in it yet Dynadave? if so are thereversing lights any good ? Sladeboy you is one lucky bunny lol when mine was MOTed they even picked up the headlamps cos the bulb showed blue on the aiming machine so I had to change them back to the stock ones!

[KevF]

I got the line of fire ready to go on.....did think about the fog light trick but kinda like the effect when using it as brake and turn...

Is there any difference between the spec for a tail light and a fog i.e. intensity etc.....

K

[Adam]

Ok, first off. I tried to seperate the ricer CF tails in the oven but the outer lens distorted when I took it apart. No go there.

However, I did take the truck back to the local ministry test station and asked their advice on the MOT regarding the lights and legality.
I should point out here that just because your truck passes an MOT, that does NOT necessarily make it road legal regarding the Road Trafic Act and the Construction and Use regulations.
The MOT means that the truck was good on the day it was tested.
You could borrow a set of tyres for an MOT, Pass then put slicks on once you got home again. Illegal and you would get a ticket on the street.
This is the same for the lights. Just because the tester pases the truck, that does not make it road legal according to the Ministry of Transport or VOSA.

Anyhoo, here's the official rulez.

1. You must have WHITE front sidelights.
You should fit additional sidelights inside the front headlights and wire them from the font marker lamps.
You cannot have Orange sidelights.

2. You must have Orange rear indicators.
Easiest fix is to put Orange bulbs into the reverse lights and wire them accordingly.
You do NOT need reverse lights for an MOT or to be legal.

3. You must have a Red rear foglight.
This must be either mounted on the offside or centrally and the ruling is it must
a) be red
b) have an illuminated on/off switch
c) Not flicker when touched or vibrated
d) be visible froma reasonable distance.

You will note there that there is no mention of wattage or E marking.
A Line of Fire is acceptable as a Rear Fog lamp because I printed a picture of one and took it along with me.
You CANNOT use the high level brake light as a fog light. This must stay as a brake light.

4. Side Repeaters.
They must be Orange and the ruling is that they must be visible if you stand level with the rear bumper and move 1 meter to the side.
That makes the markers in the door mirrors legal as long as you change the lenses to Orange.
They do not have to be visible side on because the normal indicators are.

So, a good fix for us would be to have a line of fire with the reverse light function a la the Fire and Ice version.
That way we don't have to have under the bumper foglights like a Pikey Caravan

[hemiuk]

Ok that sounds like a plan stan now all as we gotta do is get the buggers over here lol contacts anyone???? if so I'm up for some fire and ice !

[Ben-hur]

Originally posted by Adam
.........Anyhoo, here's the official rulez.

1. You must have WHITE front sidelights.
You should fit additional sidelights inside the front headlights and wire them from the font marker lamps.
You cannot have Orange sidelights.....

Hi Adam,

Here's an interesting thing from the SVA point of view, you are quite correct above, however once the vehicle is prepared for an MOT it must have white side repeaters, BUT can display other colours at the front of the vehicle providing they are not flashing.

I have checked this out with local plod and our local SVA centre, although the SVA centre said that they wouldn't want to see a private vehicle come in with other lights, for commercial vehicles like pickups it is exempt.

HTH

[Adam]

John

Yes, you can show non white (but not blue or red) light to the front of the vehicle, for example, orange marker lights along the roof etc.
These do not count as the sidelights though. The front sidelights must be white.

The side repeaters must flash orange. The lens can be white but you need an orange bulb.

On the 03 models, you can use the marker lamps in the mirrors as long as you change the lens to orange. I'm going to make my own.

The problem is that MOT testers appear to interpret the regulations as they see fit.
I went to my local Ford dealer to see the MOT tester (I take it there because they have a ramp big enough for a Transit) and the tester was insistent that the rear foglight had to be an aftermarket one hanging under the bumper.
His reasoning was that "That's how the Ford Ranger is and they are originally American too"
Of course, there's nothing in the regs about rangers etc.
We stood there and phoned the Ministry together and they confirmed that a line of fire can be used as a fog light.

I will be converting the lights on mine as outlined in my post above and this will keep the truck looking stock at the back.

Pictures will be up when its done.

[hemiuk]

OK I have been on to the guy on E-Bay and he is going to get a shipping price for me, unless anyone knows a better way Ben-hur thinking Steve moving parts? think you know him beter than I do any chance of having a word?

[Ben-hur]

Originally posted by Adam
John

Yes, you can show non white (but not blue or red) light to the front of the vehicle, for example, orange marker lights along the roof etc........

Hi Adam, agree with all the rest, but can advise that it is not illegal to show red or blue at the front providing it is not flashing, similarly underbody lighting kits are not illegal providing the don't flash.

I am referring to what is illegal and what isn't as opposed to what the MOT requirements are.

Just for info, here's the rear of my truck again with the light mods.

[Adam]

Originally posted by hemiuk
OK I have been on to the guy on E-Bay and he is going to get a shipping price for me, unless anyone knows a better way Ben-hur thinking Steve moving parts? think you know him beter than I do any chance of having a word?

I know Steve from Moving partd.
What we need is a number of items as the weight is a factor in the shipping price.
I will start a seperate thread for a group buy in the UK section.

[Adam]

Originally posted by Ben-hur
Hi Adam, agree with all the rest, but can advise that it is not illegal to show red or blue at the front providing it is not flashing, similarly underbody lighting kits are not illegal providing the don't flash.

I am referring to what is illegal and what isn't as opposed to what the MOT requirements are.

]

John

I'm not sure where you are getting your info from but if you refer to the Road Vehicles Lighting Act 1989 SI 1989 No 1796 the rules are clearly laid down.
You may show Red or Blue lamps if you are a Police or Fire Vehicle and Green if you are a Doctor. That's all.
Blue "Wanker" lights on your winscreen washers are illegal and so are underbody kits if used on the move.
These are the rules that VOSA will go by on a side of the road check whether you agree with them or not.

The entire document can be found here http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_1.htm


PART II

REGULATIONS GOVERNING THE FITTING OF LAMPS, REFLECTORS, REAR MARKINGS AND DEVICES

Colour of light shown by lamps and reflectors
11.—(1) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing a red light to the front, except-

(a) a red and white chequered domed lamp, or a red and white segmented mast-mounted warning beacon, fitted to a fire service control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(b) a side marker lamp or a side retro reflector;
(c) retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of-

(i) a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;
(ii) a solo motor bicycle or a motor bicycle combination; or
(iii) an invalid carriage; or
(d) a traffic sign.
(2) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except-

(a) amber light from a direction indicator or side marker lamp;
(b) white light from a reversing lamp;
(c) white light from a work lamp;
(d) light to illuminate the interior of a vehicle;
(e) light from an illuminated rear registration plate;
(f) light for the purposes of illuminating a taxi meter;
(g) in the case of a bus, light for the purposes of illuminating a route indicator;
(h) blue light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to a police control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(i) white light from a red and white chequered domed lamp, or a red and white segmented mast-mounted warning beacon, fitted to a fire service control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(j) green light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to an ambulance control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(k) blue light from a warning beacon or rear special warning lamp fitted to an emergency vehicle, or from any device fitted to a vehicle used for police purposes;
(l) amber light from a warning beacon fitted to-

(i) a road clearance vehicle;
(ii) a vehicle constructed or adapted for the purpose of collecting refuse;
(iii) a breakdown vehicle;
(iv) a vehicle having a maximum speed not exceeding 25 mph or any trailer drawn by such a vehicle;
(v) a vehicle having an overall width (including any load) exceeding 2.9 m;
(vi) a vehicle used for the purposes of testing, maintaining, improving, cleansing or watering roads or for any purpose incidental to any such use;
(vii) a vehicle used for the purpose of inspecting, cleansing, maintaining, adjusting, renewing or installing any apparatus which is in, on, under or over a road, or for any purpose incidental to any such use;
(viii) a vehicle used for or in connection with any purpose for which it is authorised to be used on roads by an order under section 44 of the Act;
(ix) a vehicle used for escort purposes when travelling at a speed not exceeding 25 mph;
(x) a vehicle used by the Commissioners of Customs and Excise for the purpose of testing fuels;
(xi) a vehicle used for the purpose of surveying;
(xii) a vehicle used for the removal or immobilisation of vehicles in exercise of a statutory power or duty;
(m) green light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle used by a medical practitioner registered by the General Medical Council (whether with full, provisional or limited registration);
(n) yellow light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle for use at airports;
(o) light of any colour from a traffic sign which is attached to a vehicle;
(p) reflected light from amber pedal retro reflectors;
(q) reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of-

(i) a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;
(ii) a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or
(iii) an invalid carriage;
(r) reflected light from amber retro reflective material on a road clearance vehicle;
(s) reflected light from yellow retro reflective registration plates;
(t) reflected light from yellow retro reflective material incorporated in a rear marking of a type specified in Part I Section B of Schedule 19 and fitted to-

(i) a motor vehicle having a maximum gross weight exceeding 7500 kg;
(ii) a motor vehicle first used before 1st August 1982 having an unladen weight exceeding 3000 kg;
(iii) a trailer having a maximum gross weight exceeding 3500 kg;
(iv) a trailer manufactured before 1st August 1982 having an unladen weight exceeding 1000 kg;
(v) a trailer which forms part of a combination of vehicles one of which is of a type mentioned in a previous item of this sub-paragraph;
(vi) a load carried by any vehicle; or
(u) reflected light from orange retro reflective material incorporated in a sign fitted to the rear of a vehicle carrying a dangerous substance within the meaning of the Dangerous Substances (Conveyance by Road in Road Tankers and Tank Containers) Regulations 1981[16] or the Road Traffic (Carriage of Dangerous Substances in Packages etc) Regulations 1986[17]