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    My fault, it was Pro-Hawk who mentioned Glock.

    Dense? You are trying to make a statistical relationship between ownership of assault weapons, and a decline in crime rate...therefore you are OBVIOUSLY implying that people use assault weapons in order to protect themselves/deter crime.
    Clearly you ARE talking about personal defense/crime prevention.

    And I'm the one who is dense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PA DSG View Post
    Wow.
    I didn't say "kill", I said "kill people"...many guns have been designed with hunting in mind.
    Further, it seems that you are saying that it is more rational to ban vehicles, than to ban assault weapons. I think that is a terrible argument.

    As for Texas having a lower crime rate than D.C...I would hope so!!! D.C is basically one big inner city. Texas has some big cities, but it also has huge amounts of open land...farms, ranches, desert, etc. Compare cities to cities or states to states. Comparing a city to a state is an apples to oranges comparison.

    Now listen Obama, I have entertained you enough,


    You people and your dumb catagories. The Democrates has marked America's relationship as based only hunting. Any Red blooded American would have read and understood US history and the Second Amendment. Our love of firearms runs deeper than hunting.

    The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the pre-existing individual right to possess and carry weapons (i.e., "keep and bear arms") in case of confrontation.[1] Codification of the right to keep and bear arms into the Bill of Rights was influenced by a fear that the federal government would disarm the people in order to impose rule through a standing army or select militia,

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    Call me names...that is why nobody takes people like you seriously.

    As for the second amendment, it talks about disarming people. To disarm is to take away all of your weapons and ability to protect yourself. Has that happened? No. Is that going to happen? No. Is that what the HR 5627 is stating it is going to do? No.
    You will always be able to protect yourself. The gov't is not going to disarm you. Relax. The only thing that will change is that there might be more strict background checks (which is a good thing), and certain weapons designed for combat will not be able to be purchased by civilians.

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    So why don't I try this from a different angle. I'm sure we both can agree that a Glock would make a good firearm right?
    Last edited by Pro-Hawk; 11-13-2008 at 02:53 PM.

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    I think there was a former vender that used that name, so it gets bleeped out. that is my guess.

    Edit: I wrote this when you asked about the word m-e-n-t-a-l being blocked out. But that post has since been removed.
    Last edited by PA DSG; 11-13-2008 at 02:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PA DSG View Post
    I think there was a former vender that used that name, so it gets bleeped out. that is my guess.

    Edit: I wrote this when you asked about the word m-e-n-t-a-l being blocked out. But that post has since been removed.
    Np

    So any issues with a Glock?

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    Are you looking to go through a list of guns and see which ones are considered assault weapons? If so, just check out HR 5627 (I forget if that is the actual number). I'm not the one who created the definition of an "assault weapon", I'm just one of the many who think that combat-style weapons have no place in a civilized society.

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    I honestly am starting to feel bad about putting all this in your thread about gaining awareness for your case. I should have just had this conversation with you through PM's. I guess if you made any points in this conversation with me that other people agree with, then maybe you helped your own cause out and persuaded some to see it your way.
    If it makes you happy, fight the battle...that being said, I wouldn't want my children anywhere near people who share your mindset. The need to have combat weapons in your home freaks me out. (If you are a collector, and the weapon is non-functional, it would be different)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PA DSG View Post
    Are you looking to go through a list of guns and see which ones are considered assault weapons? If so, just check out HR 5627 (I forget if that is the actual number). I'm not the one who created the definition of an "assault weapon", I'm just one of the many who think that combat-style weapons have no place in a civilized society.
    I'm done talking with you about assault weapons. I just figured I would point out a few more things to the people that was also effected by the 1994 Assault Weapon bil. These same items are on the current permint AWB version.

    These are no Glock magazies but serve the same perpose.


    See if you can spot the difference.

    These magazines were made during the 1994-2004 Assault Weapon ban.


    And these were build after and or before the 1994-2004 ban
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    Quote Originally Posted by PA DSG View Post
    Blown,
    I agree, it is not socialism. I just think that many people love to throw around the "socialism" word because they hear it on TV. That's why I asked whether taxing a large company, and giving the money to people who don't pay income taxes is socialism...I was told that it was. Based on that definition of socialism, Alaska's gov't would fit in. (I was just sort of being a ***** by bringing that up anyways...my bad)

    You are correct, I am not highly versed in weapons, but based on what you just said about Glocks, and that the US Gov't would not be able to impose much regulation, why is Stetford so animate about Glocks being banned?
    Glock is a manufacturer of semi-automatic firearms. If Obama reinstates the semi-automatic ban, it would ban semi-automatic pistols. So, he wouldn't be able to use/buy a Glock...depending on if existing gun owners are grandfathered in

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    I thought the ban wouldn't cover all semi's, just semi's with multiple assault weapon features.

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    double stacked vs. single stacked???

    look pretty damn similar to me

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    Obama has all semi's on his radar...however, the AWB is for sure getting passed. the semi-auto ban is still a might...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blown5point4 View Post
    Glock is a manufacturer of semi-automatic firearms. If Obama reinstates the semi-automatic ban, it would ban semi-automatic pistols. So, he wouldn't be able to use/buy a Glock...depending on if existing gun owners are grandfathered in
    Actually, Glock would have been effected by the last AWB and will be listed on the New AWB.


    The AWB also included things like High cap magazines, pistol grips, and folding/telescoping stocks. I think it even banded Shotgun extention tubes as well. I'll have to chekc the new AWB on that one.

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    This is directly from HR 6257: it looks like only semi's that meet this criteria would be banned if they passed this.

    (C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine AND has at least 2 of--

    (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

    (ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;

    (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

    (iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

    (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and

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